Ron Paul : Stop Dreaming

Mandy · Post by **Mandy** » Tue Aug 21, 2007 8:08 pm

Post by **faceless** » Tue Aug 21, 2007 8:34 pm

There's no doubting he's a good speaker and clearly understands the ideas he's talking about, coming across as a genuine man, but he's still very much a conservative. His policies will see those at the top and the bottom receive less, which considering the vast amount of people living in poverty will only exacerbate that problem further.

I believe his policies will make the states more of a fortress in the long run, resulting in less of the freedom from government intervention that he says is his policy.

Mandy · Post by **Mandy** » Tue Aug 21, 2007 8:41 pm

Coming from inside the "Republican" side clearly carries a stigma. His policy to abolish taxation goes against the socialist policies which I support in the UK to raise taxation for the higher earners.

I can't help feeling that in the US, the tax system is there to take from the poor, and give to the rich (such as the Military Industrial complex), with the richest paying the least taxes in % terms. Thus the cancellation of the tax system would actually keep the wealth with the poorest people.

Of-course it would be better to cancel the tax system for the poorest, and keep it for the higher earners.

nekokate · Post by **nekokate** » Tue Aug 21, 2007 10:42 pm

popinjay · Post by **popinjay** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 8:08 am

He'll turn the United States into a sweatshop. He'll cut subsidies to public services and privitise everything. He's the most free-market worshipping capitalist bastard in the whole Presidential race.

Mandy · Post by **Mandy** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 8:28 am

popinjay wrote:He'll turn the United States into a sweatshop. He'll cut subsidies to public services and privitise everything. He's the most free-market worshipping capitalist bastard in the whole Presidential race.

Strange ... but I just saw another thread on CT which doesn't agree with the above :
"the political compass"
https://couchtripper.com/forum2/viewtopic.php?t=5252

There is of-course also the balance you take between Authoritarian [fascist] and Libertarian

Note that if the choice was "free market" or fascist slavery, I would go for free market (as the least of 2 evils)

p.s. I don't think it is possible in the US to FURTHER "cut subsidies to public services and privitise everything" .. that's all already done. If you mean the "military" as a public service, then CUT AWAY ....

about "He'll turn the United States into a sweatshop" -- you mean better than the "boiler room" stock-brokers ? Or jobs being "outsourced" ? Or giving "sweatshop" jobs to the unemployed rather than using unemployment as the push for them to join the military ? At least then the US would produce something the world wanted (other than weapons of death).

popinjay · Post by **popinjay** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 5:33 pm

Mandy wrote:Note that if the choice was "free market" or fascist slavery, I would go for free market (as the least of 2 evils)

But that isn't the choice...

Mandy wrote:p.s. I don't think it is possible in the US to FURTHER "cut subsidies to public services and privitise everything" .. that's all already done.

Wrong. Over 40% of healthcare in the US is subsidised by the government (for a start).

Mandy wrote:about "He'll turn the United States into a sweatshop" -- you mean better than the "boiler room" stock-brokers ? Or jobs being "outsourced" ? Or giving "sweatshop" jobs to the unemployed rather than using unemployment as the push for them to join the military ? At least then the US would produce something the world wanted (other than weapons of death).

He'll eliminate minimum wage and scrap most worker's rights. Corporate responsibility will go out of the window.

nekokate · Post by **nekokate** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 6:42 pm

popinjay wrote:He'll turn the United States into a sweatshop. He'll cut subsidies to public services and privitise everything. He's the most free-market worshipping capitalist bastard in the whole Presidential race.

But we needn't worry - because he won't win.

popinjay · Post by **popinjay** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 6:53 pm

nekokate wrote:
popinjay wrote:He'll turn the United States into a sweatshop. He'll cut subsidies to public services and privitise everything. He's the most free-market worshipping capitalist bastard in the whole Presidential race.
But we needn't worry - because he won't win.

You're right. Giuliani will

Mandy · Post by **Mandy** » Sun Aug 26, 2007 10:38 am

George replied to a texter last night who mentioned Ron Paul's stand against the war.

The texter was saying he supported Ron Paul's views on pulling back from the wars even though he had little (=no) chance of winning.

popinjay · Post by **popinjay** » Sun Aug 26, 2007 3:16 pm

I didn't listen. What did George say?

Mandy · Post by **Mandy** » Sun Aug 26, 2007 3:35 pm

popinjay wrote:I didn't listen. What did George say?

George didn't explicitly give his view on Ron Paul, but agreed with the texter that someone can support a politician's views even if that politician has no chance of winning.

The analogy was that people support George because his views are right, even if under the current system he won't be elected PM.

Post by **faceless** » Thu Sep 06, 2007 10:57 pm

I just saw this video and I must admit I was impressed (the sound goes out of sync after a few minutes though)

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luke · Post by **luke** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 8:29 am

2008 Republican Presidential candidate Ron Paul in discusion with Google executive Elliot Schrage as part of the company's Candidates@Google series.

Aja · Post by **Aja** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 8:54 am

ok this shit is too funny ......just to see the name ron paul ..is cracking me up.....and I admit that I am coming into this thread ..very very blind......but this is Ajas veiw ......roflmao

and as i said ..I am very blind ......But I also have a brain....

to nite ...where i work .....they had a er erm convention for Ron paul ......ffs his bus was in our parking lot .......one of our party rooms was booked for 80 peeps........open menu and such......

cut a long story short most peeps was so cheap ...and even wanted to share kids meals ....sighs

and most of us waitresses and cooks were hanging out listening to the crap speehes cos we wanted to get home and be done

and then they were showing vids of the 911 stuff and all the crap conspircy and mayhem vids ........and then i got into fights .........and then I realized I was quite a smartass and the fact that i had survived thatcher and her crap made me a better person .....and that the peeps i was fighting with had a lot to learn ...... and then i just smiled .... and realized ...that no .. i was not in the UK fighting for labour ... I was in the US of eh ...just fighting for someone to have a brain ........

so it goes ......