The Climate Mash

popinjay · Post by **popinjay** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 6:12 am

Mandy · Post by **Mandy** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 7:21 am

V. Nice .. though I disagree with underlying message. The globalists want to use Global Warming fears to control the citizens of the planet even more, and raise even more taxation.

popinjay · Post by **popinjay** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 7:51 am

Sorry Mandy, I completely misread your post and made a nonsensical response here. Edited it away.

Mandy · Post by **Mandy** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 8:26 am

Not to worry .. indeed, reading nonsensical responses spices up the day.

Post by **faceless** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 12:16 pm

Mandy wrote:Not to worry .. indeed, reading nonsensical responses spices up the day.

Like your belief that Global Warming is a conspiracy? There may well be people who will benefit from it, but to suggest it's a construct is just a plain insult to all those who have been warning about it for 20-30 years.

Mandy · Post by **Mandy** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 12:30 pm

faceless wrote:Like your belief that Global Warming is a conspiracy? There may well be people who will benefit from it, but to suggest it's a construct is just a plain insult to all those who have been warning about it for 20-30 years.

I never said it was a conspiracy. Many scientists are distancing themselves from the view that ordinary citizens can do anything practical to significantly affect global warming.

It is right-wing governments who now love to push the global warming effects of citizen's behaviour, since it allows them to exert more control, whilst ignoring the HUGE amount of bombs/explosions they are causing.

In the 1970s, the issue was with reducing pollution, which by their removal, caused world temperatures to rise.

The best way citizens can improve the world is to put a stop to the global war machine [MIC]

p.s. Many people in 20th century were warning for years about Global COOLING ...

luke · Post by **luke** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 12:33 pm

see, i believe in global warming - its always happened and always will, one day we'll have an ice age again, but i'm not convinced of the current argument that its man made - or that it can be prevented, although i'm fully in support of getting everyone to cut down consumption and pollution, and live a more sustainable and equal way of life.

there was a council of foreign relations or trilateral commission report from about 20 years back saying they could use climate change as a way of implementing laws in every country, remove countrys sovereignty and bring in a one world government

i don't think the governments give a monkeys about climate change, and you can see that they don't in the solutions they're trying to offer and what they're not tackling - i'm with mandy that it'll be used to create fear, fear gives them control, and of course they will use it to make money, and i reckon they will try to bring in a one world type government through it probably in the form of the un.

"We are grateful to The Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subject to the bright lights of publicity during those years. But, the work is now much more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national autodetermination practiced in past centuries." David Rockefeller, founder of the Trilateral Commission, in an address to a meeting of The Trilateral Commission, in June, 1991.

Mandy · Post by **Mandy** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 12:35 pm

WELL SAID LUKE.

Post by **faceless** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 12:38 pm

so do you plan on doing fuck all because some people are macchiavellian enough to manipulate a situation?

Mandy · Post by **Mandy** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 12:41 pm

faceless wrote:so do you plan on doing fuck all because some people are macchiavellian enough to manipulate a situation?

No. I try to get the message out that war / MIC is bad, and people should try not to be wasteful, and to push for a fairer, more just, world.

I agree with Luke
" i'm fully in support of getting everyone to cut down consumption and pollution, and live a more sustainable and equal way of life. "

Post by **faceless** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 12:48 pm

I plan to do my bit for global warming by recycling and trying not to encourage unnecessary hot air.

edit: apologies for being a bit brusque about this, but as far as I'm concerned there simply isn't any discussion about it. It's happening and to think that nothing will change as a result of our actions against it is so short-sighted that it annoys the hell out of me. Maybe it will take a few hundred years to change, it's taken that period of industrialisation to create it after all.

Mandy · Post by **Mandy** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 1:03 pm

faceless wrote:trying not to encourage unnecessary hot air.

I tried to do that, but the bung kept flying out every time I had too many beans to eat.

Mandy · Post by **Mandy** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 1:07 pm

faceless wrote:It's happening and to think that nothing will change as a result of our actions against it is so short-sighted

You could argue my view is "short-sighted", but I will justify that on the ground that in the long-run we are all dead. But this could be literally correct .. i.e. whole of man-kind dead due to Depleted Uranium poisoning and more wars with Nuclear material etc.

Lostinthestates · Post by **Lostinthestates** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 1:26 pm

Mandy wrote:
faceless wrote:It's happening and to think that nothing will change as a result of our actions against it is so short-sighted
You could argue my view is "short-sighted", but I will justify that on the ground that in the long-run we are all dead. But this could be literally correct .. i.e. whole of man-kind dead due to Depleted Uranium poisoning and more wars with Nuclear material etc.

You must be kidding if you think in today's society we are at a higher risk of Uranium poisoning or nuclear war than of global warming?! The world has been overpopulated by human beings - and you truly think this does not have an effect on the environment? Nuclear power plants on the other hand are extremely safe nowadays (especially in the developed countries) and your uranium is concealed in concrete and buried well below anybody to have access to it .. can't quite see the imminent threat there ... sorry

Mandy · Post by **Mandy** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 1:32 pm

Uranium poisoning has already affected huge number of people (whole nations), and it's effect is spreading (to the USA as well, thanks to both air currents and the Semen of the US soldiers who served in or around Iraq)

Any project which requires guards on their output for THOUSANDS of years is NOT safe, even ignoring all the problems with existing and planned Nuclear sites.

p.s. Are you in favour of Iran having Nuclear plants ?