"God Is Not Great"

Mandy · Post by **Mandy** » Fri May 18, 2007 5:28 pm

Til : Lucky arm !!!

Kate : I saw your age on You Tube .. it wasn't 45

[I know, you were kidding about 45]

til661 · Post by **til661** » Fri May 18, 2007 5:32 pm

I don't believe in luck, it's the outmoded belief in superstition that we don't control our own......blah...blah...

I may be getting jaded

Mandy · Post by **Mandy** » Fri May 18, 2007 5:34 pm

nekokate · Post by **nekokate** » Fri May 18, 2007 6:03 pm

til661 wrote:I don't believe in luck, it's the outmoded belief in superstition that we don't control our own......blah...blah...

I may be getting jaded

I prefer the maxim "Luck is the residue of design"

Mandy · Post by **Mandy** » Fri May 18, 2007 6:08 pm

nekokate wrote:
til661 wrote:I don't believe in luck, it's the outmoded belief in superstition that we don't control our own......blah...blah...

I may be getting jaded
I prefer the maxim "Luck is the residue of design"

To quote someone else "It's funny, the harder I practice, the luckier I get"

nekokate · Post by **nekokate** » Fri May 18, 2007 6:26 pm

Just to let you all know, I'm currently listening to the audiobook of "God Is Not Great", read by Hitchens himself. It's over 8 hours of blabbering, though, so I doubt I'll be finished anytime soon.

til661 · Post by **til661** » Fri May 18, 2007 6:32 pm

nekokate wrote:Just to let you all know, I'm currently listening to the audiobook of "God Is Not Great", read by Hitchens himself. It's over 8 hours of blabbering, though, so I doubt I'll be finished anytime soon.

You'll have to give us a rundown when you've finished. Is Hitchens drunk when he's reading it?

I can't be doing with audiobooks myself, but if anyone knows where to get a pdf copy pm me please

It is sad where his politics have gone recently but i do still hold quite an admiration for him for a number of reasons. He used to be one the sharpest and bravest of left-wing journalists and is also possessed with a certain style and charisma. but even with his current shift to the neo-conservative ranks it is deeply unfair to believe that he is either a racist or a fascist

Colston · Post by **Colston** » Fri May 18, 2007 6:37 pm

I love God very much...

Mandy · Post by **Mandy** » Fri May 18, 2007 6:38 pm

Colston wrote:I love God very much...

Great !!!

til661 · Post by **til661** » Fri May 18, 2007 6:39 pm

Colston wrote:I love God very much...

Thanks for that

Mandy · Post by **Mandy** » Fri May 18, 2007 6:53 pm

See article {doesn't embed nicely}
https://www.antiwar.com/bandow/?articleid=10983

"Who Would Jesus Kill? "

[web]https://www.antiwar.com/bandow/?articleid=10983[/web]

nekokate · Post by **nekokate** » Fri May 18, 2007 7:09 pm

til661 wrote:It is sad where his politics have gone recently but i do still hold quite an admiration for him for a number of reasons. He used to be one the sharpest and bravest of left-wing journalists and is also possessed with a certain style and charisma. but even with his current shift to the neo-conservative ranks it is deeply unfair to believe that he is either a racist or a fascist

True. I love the old story of when he debated Charlton "Cold, Dead Brain" Heston on US foreign policy, and challenged Heston to name any of the countries that bordered Iraq. Apparently Heston replied "Err.... The Soviet Union... Bahrain..."

Mandy · Post by **Mandy** » Fri May 18, 2007 7:12 pm

til661 wrote:it is deeply unfair to believe that he is either a racist or a fascist

Would you regard Bush as a racist or a fascist ?

If so, what would you call someone who supports a racist or a fascist ?

til661 · Post by **til661** » Fri May 18, 2007 7:21 pm

nekokate wrote:
til661 wrote:It is sad where his politics have gone recently but i do still hold quite an admiration for him for a number of reasons. He used to be one the sharpest and bravest of left-wing journalists and is also possessed with a certain style and charisma. but even with his current shift to the neo-conservative ranks it is deeply unfair to believe that he is either a racist or a fascist
True. I love the old story of when he debated Charlton "Cold, Dead Brain" Heston on US foreign policy, and challenged Heston to name any of the countries that bordered Iraq. Apparently Heston replied "Err.... The Soviet Union... Bahrain..."

That was rather good. I also like his dissection of "Saint" Mother Theresa.

Mandy wrote:Would you regard Bush as a racist or a fascist ?

If so, what would you call someone who supports a racist or a fascist ?

I think they are easy words to throw about but have lost much of their meaning through overuse. If you mean do I think the Bush Administration is greedy, corrupt and unconcerned with the loss of human life then yes, fascist? no because that refers to a specific ideology. I can't speak for Hitchens personally but i think he sees it as an enemies enemy is my friend situation. He regards Islamic Fundamentalism as a greater threat than the Bush Administration. Personally i disagree but It's unproductive to throw around such loaded terns as 'racist' or 'fascist' so lightly.

Mandy · Post by **Mandy** » Fri May 18, 2007 7:24 pm

I note you didn't answer if you thought Bush was a racist ? (e.g. by believing Iraqi blood is cheaper than other blood, or he believes he has a right to rule over other "inferior" nations)

til661 wrote:I think they are easy words to throw about but have lost much of their meaning through overuse. If you mean do I think the Bush Administration is greedy, corrupt and unconcerned with the loss of human life then yes, fascist? no because that refers to a specific ideology.

[web]https://www.bushwatch.com/fascism.htm[/web]

[web]https://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,2064157,00.html[/web]

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