Doha Debates - The Palestinian Right Of Return

[Salim201]

i e-mailed finkelstein about the debate and the event in norway i'm going to, he said he avoided watching it and he didn't like the format or his interventions! i thought it was quite good though..

[luke]

thanks faceless nice one

it was good but not really long enough, they didn't really have time to get into it in any depth - finkelstein a few times tried to talk about real examples but never really got the chance, i mean at the end you didn't really come away with anything new or an understanding of how the lobby actually works based on any evidence - or if not down to the lobbys influence, how come the coverage we're given is so biased?

i guess you'd need a whole weekend for the kinda show i'm thinking

did the debate change anyones views in any way?

[Salim201]

The point about the EU following the line of the US in isolating the Palestinian authorities was interesting, as there is no ostensibly strong lobby influence in Europe..

[Mandy]

The point about the EU following the line of the US in isolating the Palestinian authorities was interesting, as there is no ostensibly strong lobby influence in Europe..

With poodles like Blair following Bush, who needs another lobby in Europe.

[Salim201]

that doesn't explain countries like France and Germany, who clearly don't always follow the US..

[Mandy]

that doesn't explain countries like France and Germany, who clearly don't always follow the US..

Sometimes feels like Good Cop / Bad Cop act.

Seeing how Nato is in Afghanistan now, allowing the US to increase its involvement in Iraq, they are playing "follow my leader"

[DavidGig]

For Finkelstein fans, DemocracyNow! ran a good 30 min. discussion of his tenure battles--

https://www.democracynow.org/article.pl? ... 09/1514221

RAUL HILBERG: And it was clear to me already years ago that some campaigns were launched -- from what sector, I didn't know -- to remove him from the academic world. Years ago, I got a phone call from someone who was in charge of a survivors' group in California who told me that Finkelstein had been ousted from a job in New York City at a university -- actually, a college there -- and this was done under pressure.

...

And whether he’s being intimidated, whether he is in a situation where, whatever else may be happening, the employers are being intimidated, it’s hard for me to say, but there is very clearly a campaign, which was made very obvious in the Wall Street Journal, when Professor Dershowitz wrote in a style which is highly uncharacteristic of the editorial page of this newspaper.

[Mandy]

Thanks David. I was about to post same article .. but you beat me [and https://whatreallyhappened.com/] by a few days.

[Mandy]

It features Ilan Pappe on the panel and looks like it's going to be very interesting.

FYI, Ilan Pappe is talking at a Charity dinner in London on 17 May:

https://www.map-uk.org/pages/MAP_events.html

[luke]

Doha Debates features Fatah and Hamas debating reconciliation and the future of the resistance

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[major.tom]

I'll be watching that, Luke. In case anyone is interested, there's a direct d/l link here.