Does Israel control American policy, or the other way round?

[Mandy]

This is not something I say lightly and I can't remember having to say it to someone before: You are a racist and an anti-semite.

It was pretty obvious from all your other posts but that last one was the final straw. There is absolutely no point debating the likes of you. GGFan is this your idea of people the left should be allied with?

"til661", I share your frustration. In answer to your question, NO .. I was referring to the likes of :
+Michael Rivero on https://whatreallyhappened.com
+Alex Jones on https://www.prisonplanet.com
+Ry on https://anti-neocons.com

Would you regard them as "extreme right" ?

I don't believe any of them share Karl's views in his recent postings on this thread.

Indeed, we should be weary that "extremists" could be saboteurs. For example COINTELPRO
The Sabotage Of Legitimate Dissent

""Black Panther Coloring Book" scam. In the early days of the Black Panther Movement, before police harassment militarized them, and their agenda was local control of school curriculum and free breakfasts for ghetto kids, a coloring book appeared filled with racist images of black people killing white police officers. The book was titled "The Black Panther Coloring Book" and the mainstream media proclaimed that this was being handed out at those free ghetto breakfasts. Years later, during the Congressional Hearings into COINTELPRO, it was revealed that the coloring book was an FBI hoax to increase fear and mistrust between blacks and whites."

Though Wikipedia doesn't mention this coloring book . Maybe Wikipedia's editors are too "politically correct".

[til661]

I have never heard of two of them.
Alex Jones meanwhile isn't worth my time or effort. These people are an irrelevance any way, what import do their opinions have? what value is their support?
Now if you were to list someone who has some intellectual credibility I might research them, mentioning these people is like a mainstream liberal basing their ideas on Al Franken or a conservative on Ann Coulter. He is just an overly loud radio shock-jock with no intellectual basis for his suppositions.


Your other points about the black panthers have nothing to do with the topic at hand. Unless you are suggesting that 'karl' is a CIA agent?

[Mandy]

I have never heard of two of them.
Alex Jones meanwhile isn't worth my time or effort. These people are an irrelevance any way, what import do their opinions have? what value is their support?
Now if you were to list someone who has some intellectual credibility I might research them, mentioning these people is like a mainstream liberal basing their ideas on Al Franken or a conservative on Ann Coulter. He is just an overly loud radio shock-jock with no intellectual basis for his suppositions.

They are the poll-bearers of what you probably call the American extreme right. As such, they have huge following, hugely popular web sites and blogs. Indeed, they attract a lot of people away from the tainted / corrupted Main Stream Media.

Unsure if you imply the two people who you never heard of have no intellectual credibility. Maybe you should do some investigation first of their sites and views before you make that conclusion. Indeed, I don't agree with you. I believe they are VERY credible intellectually.

Your other points about the black panthers have nothing to do with the topic at hand. Unless you are suggesting that 'karl' is a CIA agent?

I don't "out" agents .. I leave that to Bush, Cheney and his gang.

[til661]

I don't "out" agents .. I leave that to Bush, Cheney and his gang.

You're right it is best to leave these things to the professionals

[Karl]

If you can't discuss things without aggression then you're not the kind of member we want and you will lose access. There's not many sites out there that have as much to offer the members, so it is you who will lose out, not us.

Everytime the issue of zionism is discussed anywhere people rapidly start shouting rascist. The book "the protocols of the elders of zion" was written in the late 1800's. It has been well researched. It is the blueprint for much of what is wrong today.

Let me give you an example Marks & Spencer. Many pro-palestinians boycott this store myself included. Marks & Spencer (M&S) was founded in 1884 by a Russian Jewish refugee Michael Marks. Since then, the UK-based firm has been linked inextricably to Zionism.

[faceless]

I didn't call you a racist. I do think you're almost obsessive about Israel though and I'd rather not see that here.

[til661]

Dude your just embarrassing yourself now...show me a single source which the elders of zion crap is anything other than an anti-semitic forgery, i thought this had been dealt with decades ago, how can people still believe this bollocks. Oh yeah it wasn't faceless who called you a racist, it was me. And i'll say it again because everything you add just makes it more obvious

The Protocols of the Elders of Zion (Russian: "Протоколы сионских мудрецов", or "Сионские протоколы", see also other titles) is an antisemitic literary forgery that purports to describe a Jewish plot to achieve world domination.

Numerous independent investigations have repeatedly proven it to be a plagiarism and a hoax.[1]

Scholars generally agree that the Okhrana, the secret police of the Russian Empire, fabricated the text in the late 1890s or early 1900s. Among the most notable early refutations of the Protocols as a forgery were a series of articles printed in The Times of London in 1921. This series revealed that much of the material in the Protocols was plagiarized from earlier political satire that did not have an antisemitic theme. Since 1903, when the Protocols appeared in print, its earliest publishers have offered vague and often contradictory testimony detailing how they obtained their copy of the rumored original manuscript...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Protoc ... rs_of_Zion

[nekokate]

Everytime the issue of zionism is discussed anywhere people rapidly start shouting rascist. (sic)

AHA!! There's a regular texter to George's show who also makes that same spelling mistake. RaScist. Are you he? Hehehehehe!!!

[til661]

lol....yeah forgotten his name...was it Errol...something like that. Always calls George a rascialist Maybe it's a combination of a racist and a rascal, who knows...

[faceless]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Protoc ... rs_of_Zion

cheers for that - I'd heard of this thing before but never got round to finding out about it. I'm sure it will come up again in the future...

[luke]

has anyone actually read the protocols? blew my mind when i read it, i'm not saying its true, but it makes you realise how powerful forces could work, i found it quite interesting - quite a dark read though!

[til661]

The fact that it ISN'T true negates the whole point of it don't you think? When I was young i used to watch the Smurfs that doesn't mean i draw lessons from the fact that a evil balding genius terrorized a group of blue migdets. The only thing to learn from it is that in itself it shows how the powerful (in the case the soviet secret police) could scapegoat an entire ethnic group and people would believe it.

[faceless]

here's a download link for it

https://tworca.org/ProtocolsOfZion.pdf

[luke]

The fact that it ISN'T true negates the whole point of it don't you think? When I was young i used to watch the Smurfs that doesn't mean i draw lessons from the fact that a evil balding genius terrorized a group of blue migdets. The only thing to learn from it is that in itself it shows how the powerful (in the case the soviet secret police) could scapegoat an entire ethnic group and people would believe it.

you've lost me, i just said i don't think its true, but an interesting read - that it makes you think ( or it did me ) in ways that i might not have done, how people can be manipulated, how powerful elites could use techniques described in the book.

that it wasn't written by some all powerful jewish force who control the world doesn't change that i found it an interesting read.

[Karl]

Everytime the issue of zionism is discussed anywhere people rapidly start shouting rascist. (sic)

AHA!! There's a regular texter to George's show who also makes that same spelling mistake. RaScist. Are you he? Hehehehehe!!!

I have phoned George and spoken to him but no i have never texted. I am not scared to speak my mind and iam not posting hiding behund an alias i am using my real name. When i speak to Galloway i also use my real name so check the podcasts. And i am sorry but i do see Israel being at the heart of most of the worlds problems. More people here in the UK are waking up to that fact. This thread was indeed about Israel?

The book i mentioned is currently available in almost every bookshop so it is 'current'. Check the amazon website. It cannot possibly be a forgery because it was published and circulated before the 1st world war, before the Russian revolution, before the Zionist conference of 1926, before the formation of Israel. So if indeed it was a hoax alot of what it said seems to have happened dont forget the book was written in the 1800s. Many authors have reprinted it with various commentaries/revisions.

Sorry faceless i did not say you called anyone a racist. I was just using your quote to remind readers that you created this messageboard and its aims are to be bold and active and exercise free speech.
I am anti war, anti trident, anti bush/bliar, anti censorship. I am not a communist but rather consider myself a democratic socialist. I dont agree with the regime in China where i beleve people are treated as a commodity and have no freedom. But mainly i oppose Israel and its apartheid treatment of the unfortunate indigenous Palestinian population. I pray that the world will one day impose sanctions but in the meantime a boycott of Israeli goods and services is the only way forward.